Thursday, June 02, 2005

‘I hate socialists’ – A Problem.

Firstly context; was accosted today by members of the Socialist Equity Party who were prophesising the coming Revolution. As I escaped their rhetorical pronouncements, I thought ‘I hate socialists’. This sentiment is probably enough to get me killed.

The problem is that I have no idea what I actually meant. ‘I hate socialists’. Does it mean that I hate the two individuals who were trying to convince me that the only solution to all the world’s problems is to end capitalism? Does it mean that I hate all the individuals who may be described as socialists? Does it mean that I hate ‘socialists’ as a category of people, while feeling nothing toward the actual people who are members of that category? Or do I hate the ideology that these individuals qua socialists espouse?

Am not quite sure myself, but if anyone can clarify my intentions it might be appreciated.

4 comments:

Pete said...

Martin, my immediate reaction is that only you can solve these problems concerning your position in relation to the reality of socialists.
I do however sympathise with your angst. Personally I feel myself compelled to declare to all and sundry that I am a socialist and commit myself to a life of pursuing the associated goals. However as you have probably already noticed I am also quite convinced that Nietzsche was right, that only a few of us are actually capable of attaining a worthy existence and that I shouldn't be bothered with the fate of the masses as long as the wellbeing of myself and my fellow elites are taken care of.....
Ok, so this is not quite the problem that you are spouting off about here. But I feel that our problems are in some strange way at least related, just like I feel that as a socialist I should tell your pathetic little self to F**K OFF!! and that if you wanna step up and argue about it at any stage then I'd be only too happy to take part....
I guess that what I'm trying to say is, that in principle I agree with the idea of socialism. It makes a hell of a lot of sense and I'd be glad to put my name to it's cause at any time. However in practice my experiences have been that I have trouble making time for people who just can't keep up and would prefer to spend my time hanging out with people who can. Yet it also makes sense that there are people who I know (no doubt there are quite a few) that are simply making time for me while I try to keep up with them. In that case it would make sense for me to be grateful for thier patience and to pass on the goodwill to those who are less fortunate. So here I am back at the beginning again....

Cooly McCool said...

There is always a problem with people who realize there is a problem, and have a passion to resolve it (as I am very disspassionate about most things outside of my hatred for four wheel drives, I do admire those who actually feel compelled to act) but who lack the faculties to adequately understand the problem so as to address it in a productive way. This is what I usually refer to as the resistance mentality, best represented by the image 'Merlin'. Generally they make a passionate appeal to social (or whatever) justice rather than an informed one. Ironically this means that they often present as radical ideas ones which are actually very conservative.

I do feel your pain Martin, as I have been involved in protests which have seen such individuals tarnish other's endeavours through misdirected aggression towards bystanders, interest in advertising green left weekly and other self-promotion and always being the first to piss off if the shit hits the fan. The worst is that they will always reduce credibility; your become associated with their break the system fist shaking if they decide to show up, which they inevitably do. The media loves it: they always show angry youths who don't know their shit, because it automatically degrades the protest to dismissable on the grounds of looney left rent-a-crowd.

But which would you prefer: being stuck in a room for 48 hours with a 'Merlin' or a neo-con young liberal? I personally would choose the Merlin, maybe because like Peter, although I would not describe myself as such, am basically inclined politically to the idealistic left. At least the resistance crowd is standing on my side of the line and passion must count for something.

Really we need more people like Rose: well informed and passionate. I mean she really does get herself involved in what seems more than reasonable activities for causes which we can all appreciate their value, and yet we don't.

Pete said...

Listen Cooly I think this post is getting a bit too touchy-feely at the moment. Perhaps we should both peel ourselves away from cuddling our sentiments and get back to doing some real philosophy....
By the way the Nietzschean in me usually wins over the Marxist. Which is why I don't align myself with the idealist lefties or anyone else for that matter.

And yes, decadence is a hideous bitch goddess.

Anonymous said...

Socialist are funny. They try to justify mediocrity and laziness as a form of high morality and superior humanitarian ideal's. Idiot's....